Episode 275 with Leigh Burgess: Unlocking Bold Moves for Success

On this episode of the Ready Yet?! Podcast, my guest Leigh Burgess shares her journey from corporate burnout to creating a thriving business, and discusses the importance of self-belief, intentionality, and learning from past experiences. Join us as we dive into her bold framework (Believe, Own, Learn, Design) and her new book, offering practical steps for taking bold actions. 

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Leigh Burgess is a thought leader, game-changer and powerhouse connector determined to ignite and support the bold journeys of others. After over twenty years in healthcare, she founded Bold Industries Group, a platform for uniting, inspiring and empowering women that brings together a unique global network via her Bold events, the Bold Leaders Collective membership, The Bold Lounge podcast and through her dynamic speaking, coaching, and consulting engagements. 

Leigh’s forthcoming book, Be Bold Today: Unleash Your Potential, Master Your Mindset, and Achieve Success, which is all about how to apply the framework to your own life, will be distributed by Simon & Schuster in November 2024. Get 20% off (or up to 50% off if you join Tertulia) when you order here. 

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Episode 275 with Leigh Burgess: Unlocking Bold Moves for Success

Erin Marcus: All right! Hello, and welcome to the Ready Up podcast. I'm so excited to be chatting with Leigh Burgess today because we've been having so much fun in the green room, so to speak, and what you want to talk about today is in alignment with the huge things I have going on, which usually means other people are experiencing it as well.

Erin Marcus: So before we dive into all of that, why don't you tell everyone a little bit more formally who you are and what you do? 

Leigh Burgess: Sure. So I think what's cool of the way I get to introduce myself, I used to introduce like my title and where I worked and I don't do that anymore. Obviously I'm a founder and an entrepreneur, but I'm a bold soul who just wants people to see the possibility of making their first.

Leigh Burgess: bold move or taking their first bold step. And I spent a lot of my career in health care in the corporate world, learned a lot got to a point in my career where I was completely burnt out and didn't even know it till something significant happened in my health in 2020. And I had to choose me and make the decision to quit my job without having a job or a plan, which is very unlike me.

Leigh Burgess: And it's a 

Erin Marcus: lot 

Leigh Burgess: like 

Erin Marcus: me, by the 

Leigh Burgess: way. It was very forward to me, unfortunately. Good, but you led the way. Yeah. And from there was this wonderful feeling of freedom and fear at the same time. And I kept moving forward anyway. And for me, that's the definition of what bold means at the base of it.

Leigh Burgess: And then, we've done many things over the last four years, including continuing the consulting that we do with organizations about making their bold moves, having retreats, having networking dinners, creating a membership and writing a book or just a few things. I love it. 

Erin Marcus: And you're getting where I want to take this for a minute, because I think one of the things And I learned this actually in corporate, right?

Erin Marcus: If you're not growing, you're dying. Because nothing stays the same. If you're not iterating, you become obsolete. And for years, I found in my experiences, it's a moment. Even though you've done different things in terms of the way you've provided your services, what is different now versus when you started?

Erin Marcus: You're like, just an overall opinion of it. I find us, whether you're an accidental entrepreneur or however that happens, it's you don't know what you don't know, but now that you've got your foundation and your feet under you, how has all of it changed? 

Leigh Burgess: Yeah, I think I don't feel like I have my feet under me yet, which is interesting, right?

Leigh Burgess: I don't know if that's normal. Like we're just like, is this how it's supposed to feel? I don't know. Like we still have those moments. I think it's been really interesting, definitely over the last year. So year three to year four, right? So we just celebrated year four just in September. And so we're in that four to five zone beginning it.

Leigh Burgess: I feel like I know myself better than I did. And when we first started in 2020, so I think that has been a becoming so, so to speak of who I am standing really firm now in my value, I'm not sure I did that as much. I know, honestly, I know I did not do it as much as I should have. And that's led to, things that probably could have been more successful, or me feeling a certain way of how it didn't, hit the way I wanted it to hit, or maybe the outcomes not being the way they were, supposed to be planned, or there were just a lot of things that you can, do this retrospective of looking back.

Leigh Burgess: But, Even just a couple of minutes ago, I was saying, that was a bad decision. I was like, you know what? I got to reframe that, that was, I was 

Erin Marcus: just going to ask you about that. 

Leigh Burgess: I, I. 

Erin Marcus: find myself in the same thing. So I think I'm a year or two further than you. I'm, I have a journalism degree, not a math degree.

Erin Marcus: And so the math is failing. I think I'm just wrapping up your five. 

Leigh Burgess: Okay. 

Erin Marcus: And I've learned I have a three year attention span if you're five, right? Yeah, I didn't pivot fast enough or iterate fast enough. But that reframing of the past. Hindsight's 2020. And I think that's something that we do to bring it back to what you're really specializing in.

Erin Marcus: I think one of the things that stops us from making really cool, bold stops is reframed the past in a helpful way 

Leigh Burgess: or a healthy way. Yeah. So I think I have learned and what's interesting is I didn't learn this like in year 1, year 2, year 3, and we were rocking and rolling and doing things I never thought was possible.

Leigh Burgess: I've never dreamed of doing, never had even on the list. Like I was just gonna do consulting and I have a podcast, I have all these things I already listed and I have a book, which I'd never, we've all said, Hey, I want to write a book. Literally wrote a book. Did actually do it. Yeah, I did it.

Leigh Burgess: And, all along life is still happening, things are still going on in your personal life, things are still happening in your professional life, and it's just interesting for me, it feels like I'm beginning to see how to put the pieces together, although not perfectly, not without error.

Leigh Burgess: But I think, what I call it a bad decision was a learning opportunity, which is a really nice thing you could say. But I think for me, it was the right decision at that time, but now it's become not the one I should make. Or that's, isn't that the point? 

Erin Marcus: Like I said, like my business is five, five and a half years old.

Erin Marcus: My attention span is three, three and a half. And I'm finally now realizing why different endeavors falter. When I don't, as you were to put it, make the decisions when I should make them. We hang on to things. We hang on to things for the wrong reasons. Probably for the same reasons we don't take that bold step to begin with.

Erin Marcus: Because I call it 

Leigh Burgess: It's a belief. Getting in there. 

Erin Marcus: And I call it, it's your new comfort zone. You made a bold decision. You took a step. But then you got a new comfort zone. 

Leigh Burgess: And you got cozy. Potentially right. It became habitual routine esque. And I think the other thing that I learned. As an entrepreneur.

Leigh Burgess: And this was one of my learnings over the last four years is that, I always thought that like to do the thing that I want to do right now, it has to like, feel good and be joyful. And like just be the best of the best and the full body. Yes. That you need is the full body.

Leigh Burgess: Yes. For your business. First, not the full body. Yes. For what, like things that bring me joy, man, I wish I could just get paid to go to concerts and hang out outside. If I could get paid a garden, it would be fantastic. Yeah. So yeah, Traeger hit me up. I'll, I'll grill 24 seven let's do it.

Leigh Burgess: But that's not what I get paid to do, but that's like a funny example, but I was thinking like, as I, as you talked about pivoting, like from maybe one thing in your business to another that, I stopped doing some things that I think were. We're really great revenue producers are doing as much of them.

Leigh Burgess: And I want to do more of them now. And I think what I realized is that it's just sometimes timing. For me, like I didn't pick the right time, but I'm being really hypercritical of myself. We've been incredibly successful. I think that's the other thing is don't move the goalpost on yourself. We like keep it where it needs to be because the three things I've learned about myself personally were.

Leigh Burgess: That, my feeling of not feeling enough, I've, I figured out at least I think where it's rooted or where it's come from because I didn't grow up with someone telling me that. But there were certain things that have happened in my life that I've now begun to go, Oh, that's where it came from. And mine really stems from.

Leigh Burgess: I think from what I've picked up on my own and through conversations, sure. It comes from really my losing my brother when I was six and things that I started to do to try to fill the hole that happened in our lives. The other thing is I realized I have some perfectionism tendencies and some people pleasing tendencies that I used to think those were extremely bad words and meant total imperfection.

Leigh Burgess: So how could I have perfection, which is one of the silliest things to say means I'm perfectionist probably. But, so those are things I'm like, Oh, when I get a handle on those two biggies along with the, I'm not enough, like standing in my value and even me sitting up in my seat. Now, when I say that it was I can do that now.

Leigh Burgess: And it's fresh. It's like last 

Erin Marcus: 60 days fresh. It's amazing. Isn't it? It's one of those things. I have found those moments in my life. And much more in the last, you can't outgrow your business when you are an entrepreneur, right? You're or your business cannot outgrow you. That's just how it's not the same as having a job.

Erin Marcus: Yeah, and it's these moments when Everything kind of clicks and the light bulb goes out and you're like, oh, I see what happened there for the last 18 years. And then you wonder how you've never noticed it before. , it's Oh, 

Leigh Burgess: clear it now. Yeah. You learn it like that. It's that's you know what, 52 years for me learned that 52 years in one minute.

Leigh Burgess: Exactly. Got it. Now I know what to do, but that's my personality too. Like it may take me a little bit to learn something or to like. I may try again or try again and then oh, it's not working. And then I figure it out. It's okay, I'm not never doing, I'm never doing that. 

Erin Marcus: It's done.

Erin Marcus: I'm the same. Once it's done, I'm like, okay, I get it. One of the things I found, I'm curious if you're having this, cause I, so I have two years on you and we have, our businesses are about the same age. One of the things I'm learning through this personal development side of the journey is I always call and I'm completely distracted by my background cause Like you said, life happens.

Erin Marcus: I'm in Florida at mom's. Nobody needs to see this. Not in San Francisco. Not in San Francisco. But I like to use the reference of putting bumpers in my gutters. So that I don't fall off the extreme in either edge. And one of the things I'm finding right now as I do continue my personal development work is You have to figure out your past so that you don't fall victim to the patterns, subconscious patterns.

Leigh Burgess: Repeating it. 

Erin Marcus: So you have to heal them and become aware, but you can't live there. Because the way to move forward faster and thrive, in my opinion, is to, in the words of Dr. Benjamin Hardy, be your future self now. And so we're playing this balancing act in entrepreneur world or anyone on a self improvement journey of not falling off If I was, if I spent all my time trying to be my future self without ever paying attention to the patterns of the past, I would fail, because I would get stuck and I wouldn't understand why.

Erin Marcus: You have to know. Yeah, you have to 

Leigh Burgess: notice when you're in the, whether it's, I'm just thinking of, like, when you get stuck in the mud with your car and you're going, you're trying to get out and trying to get, you're trying to do a piece of wood or whatever it is.

Leigh Burgess: It's something under there. Yeah. Or I feel like the thing you shove under to get out that, bud, that's that spot you're in really is your understanding of yourself and you're like, that's a great visual. Yeah. For me, like I've had a couple of those moments, like just in the last, 60 to 90 days, and it feels very good, but it feels very uncomfortable.

Leigh Burgess: Kind of some of the things I'm doing now or some of the things I'm changing in the sense of my offerings or, how I want to operate. I think I've given a lot of myself, like I've Put myself out there. I've made myself available. I've given people my cell phone and I think some people are taking advantage of it.

Leigh Burgess: I think some people aren't realizing it's a gift. I think some people maybe don't even care. Like it's not that important to them and that's okay. But those are all things about me that I need to learn. Then it's not so much about them, but it's like me again, standing in my value and not to say that I'm not approachable or you can't reach me, but I think I have given Way more potentially than I needed to, and this is 

Erin Marcus: 100 percent true and I think it is part again of that first few years when we think, especially in the types of businesses that you and I have because they're not terribly dissimilar.

Erin Marcus: That we're the product, we think that we are the product. And so if somebody is, so how can I give more of the product to my clients, to my audience, to my network, right? How could, but it, You have to learn how to separate. I was, it was really weird when I first got into this world and I was working with the person who was my mentor for keynote speaking and he would refer to himself in the third person.

Erin Marcus: And I thought that was so weird. And then I realized he was talking about the professional speaker versus 

Leigh Burgess: him, 

Erin Marcus: the guy with his grandkids. 

Leigh Burgess: Yeah. Yeah. 

Erin Marcus: Cause if you're the product setting that boundary. We're worried, right? We're worried, especially in the beginning, that if we don't say yes to everything, we'll lose everything.

Leigh Burgess: Yeah. And it's also my people pleasing coming in, too, so wanting to fill the gap, make sure there's nothing that anyone, I didn't forget, I'm really terrible at birthday cards and things like that, so I'm never good at that, but I never will be, so just, that's something people have to deal with but I text, I check in, I, I do the things that I think are me thoughtful, I'm carrying, I remember things that, some people don't even remember they told me.

Leigh Burgess: So those, I don't ever want to lose that, but I think I did it to a level with the people pleasing in me of Oh, I didn't need to go that far, and at the cost of me and no one wants. So that's how I got burnt out. So I think once you've been burnt out too, the signs.

Leigh Burgess: And so it's just recognizing some of the signs of what got me there that I don't want to do that again. And I think from a leveling up and a scaling and taking myself personally and professionally to the next level of me, it means I have to change, I have to do some things differently and not everybody goes with you to the next level.

Leigh Burgess: And that can feel hard. Yeah. And that can feel different and feel. Just not good, right? And I think the other thing is what got, and we've all heard this, what got you here won't get you there, and in that sense of just being able to realize that I, there is change. That's just going to be exactly what it is.

Leigh Burgess: Uncomfortable, not anything I've experienced again. It almost feels like this sounds silly, but almost like I'm a new entrepreneur in your field. It doesn't, I, 

Erin Marcus: it's I'm, it doesn't sound silly. And I To me, it's massively refreshing because this is exactly, I'm going to make this all about me for a second.

Leigh Burgess: You do it. You 

Erin Marcus: are who I'm looking for. I am having this moment. And maybe there was something in the water or the stars aligned over the last 60 days, because it really has gelled in the last 60 days. Big, huge shifts in decisions. Where I want to do something different, I know it's a different group of people, I know it's making these big, bold moves, again, coming from a new level of awareness.

Erin Marcus: a new level of experience I didn't have last time around, except what I find out in the entrepreneur universe is two dichotomous, is that the right word? Where you're either got the gurus and the beginners. And those of us in the messy middle of iteration, of all of it, of iteration what did somebody say?

Erin Marcus: They. They ignore you at the bottom, they judge you in the middle, and they hate you at the top. And so you almost have to find new peer groups. For those entrepreneurs who do succeed, you have to, right? We're the average of the five people we surround ourselves with. 

Leigh Burgess: Right. 

Erin Marcus: And it's just been a very interesting, it's the next piece of the journey that I wasn't expecting.

Leigh Burgess: Yeah, 

Erin Marcus: most of the journey I wasn't expecting. 

Leigh Burgess: Like I said, I don't even think I thought about what I'm doing now was even possible. So I think if we give ourselves a break to it, it is, if we were like our friends, we'd be like it's really natural to feel that way. It's really okay. It is, it's, it makes it, part of your knowing and becoming that's happening, but to ourselves.

Leigh Burgess: At least, I don't know how you talk to yourself, but I can be pretty harsh. So it's oh, it was a mistake or I did something wrong or I'm making someone feel bad. Again, I got, I could have been 

Erin Marcus: here 

Leigh Burgess: by now. I should have gotten that far by now. I should have 

Erin Marcus: done this instead. I 

Leigh Burgess: don't do that too much of more.

Leigh Burgess: So just just hammering on myself of like, why did I do that? And it's okay, get over it. And I can get over it now a lot quicker in the last 90 days, just knowing some things that I've learned about myself. But I do think it, when you are evolving. So are the people you're around.

Leigh Burgess: And if the people you're around aren't evolving with you into that next level, it's hard, it's harder for you to grow. And I think you, you want to make the choice for your growth, even when it's uncomfortable. And that's probably just across the board, right? Not just with relationships and things like that, but across.

Leigh Burgess: Things you like to do in your business and things that actually are going to help it grow and being aligned with your values, which is so important to, to me and to many entrepreneurs. And so I think just those types of things really take the forefront of what you should take as action, which. are bold moves.

Leigh Burgess: And some of your bold moves are going to be quiet. No one's going to know about them. They're really happening between your ears. Like a lot of them of mine. Yeah. Or they're going to be something like, Oh, wow. She redid her website. Oh, she closed 

Erin Marcus: her business after she closed a successful business to move in that direction.

Erin Marcus: Yeah. 

Leigh Burgess: She's, iterating to the next level. So those are things that people see maybe, but There's a whole bunch of quieter, bold moments that happened up until that point. 

Erin Marcus: And the other thing I find as I'm listening to you give the examples, and I, because I totally agree with you, is the farther you want to take this for yourself, the more intentional it all has to be.

Erin Marcus: This doesn't happen by accident. 

Leigh Burgess: Right. 

Erin Marcus: You can, I know a few people who accidentally started a business. They lost their job, they knew a guy they could work, they had another woman over there they got self employed for two people, like they almost accidentally became self employed, right? This is all very, I don't think you could do the types of expansion you're talking about without it all being very intentional. 

Leigh Burgess: Yeah, I think the intentionality is becoming more intense as you Continue on your journey as an entrepreneur at least for me. It's And if i'm not intentional Then I feel like I might be off my path or I might be going towards burnout or I might be You know, for me, not aligned with my value.

Leigh Burgess: So I call 

Erin Marcus: myself a balloon. If I'm not pointed in a specific direction, I get very floaty. You never know what's going to happen, 

Leigh Burgess: right? Cause I, I'm, obviously a lot of entrepreneurs can be creative or have a creative side. I think that's the part that kind of, it's like creativity gone wild as an entrepreneur of cause one of the corporate side, you're allowed to be creative.

Leigh Burgess: Within this box. Little 

Erin Marcus: framework. 

Leigh Burgess: Yeah, like right here, like you stretch out of it, you're going to know it, so I would, I did that to the max and maybe a little extra here or there, but I think when I became an entrepreneur, it was just like, I was able to do so much. 

Erin Marcus: There's the your bumpers come out of the gutters and the wheels go off the bus.

Erin Marcus: And every idea 

Leigh Burgess: is not a good idea. It just isn't. I'm sorry. And so put it on the parking lot or whatever you want to call it. I have a list. Yeah. I have a 

Erin Marcus: list called ideas on hold. 

Leigh Burgess: Yeah, I have a post it and I also have one on my phone. Bold 

Erin Marcus: ideas. I have to get it out of my head. You have 

Leigh Burgess: to, 

Erin Marcus: yeah. In order to function, but I don't want it to go away.

Erin Marcus: Yeah. So I collect those. 

Leigh Burgess: Yeah, exactly. And then I think also our thought pattern speeds up at least. I was a very quick thinker, could make decisions, be pragmatic. I think all my life, but I think when I became an entrepreneur, the speed at which things come and come into my mind or come into need to work on, it just, it's a really fast pace for me now.

Leigh Burgess: And I think I'm trying to get a handle on that a little bit better and how I organize them, where I put them. What I give time to and what I just let float through. And I think that's something that I'm learning more about. Definitely the second part of this year, as I go into the book launch and all that stuff, which has all been new, 100 percent new.

Leigh Burgess: And all of it has been a learning journey. 

Erin Marcus: So tell me about that. Cause that was going to be my next question. What's coming up. What's next for you. 

Leigh Burgess: Yeah, so the book's coming out November 19th, it's all about the framework that I created, Believe, Own, Learn, Design, and that's actually what I used to define what I was going to do next, because I was very used to being a planner and having a framework and understanding kind of my career path and all that jazz, and when you quit your job without having a job You don't have anything.

Leigh Burgess: You don't have anything to apply all this knowledge to. And people don't understand you. Some people don't want to help you because they don't understand you. And then you're just like, Wow, I could do anything. And you're just like, what do I do? So I created the framework because, One, I needed a path. I needed something to follow.

Leigh Burgess: And I really thought at that point, I can't be the only one that needs help. To look at some of these things. And my big thing that I spent the majority of the time on after was just getting really clear about my beliefs about myself, about what I was going to do, how I was going to operate, what might be in the shadows that I don't even know are there, and then working through ownership, learning and designing the business and really that helped me design my first funnel, the things I was going to offer, and then kick off the consulting arm of the organization, which was the first thing that we did.

Leigh Burgess: And with that framework, you can apply it. Individually or organizationally and in the book, it walks you through with activities and resources. Each one of those steps of the bold framework and helps you design at the end. Once you're done with the book, and there's a workbook that comes with it, you're able to actually create your bold blueprint.

Leigh Burgess: And I think sometimes there's this myth about. Bold is always this huge step, this big thing, this loud thing. And I think, I've said it earlier, but it's the quiet intentional daily consistent steps that lead people to think, wow, she made a bold move or, wow, look at that. Look at 

Erin Marcus: that. That overnight success.

Erin Marcus: And nobody saw the last 10 years of your life. 

Leigh Burgess: Yeah. And we're not posting everything on social media when it goes left or, or, there's a lot of things that you only see when it goes, and so I think people just understanding that they have the power within them to take those steps.

Leigh Burgess: They have to do the first thing, which is make the choice, which that's the consistent thing I see across all the definitions of being bold is that it's a choice. I can't make you bold. You can't make me make a bold move. I can't direct someone to be bold. We have to decide that. And so I think that's really important for people to realize it's their choice.

Leigh Burgess: And I have heard so many times people say, I know what I need to do, but I'm not doing it. Start with the letter B and let's look at some beliefs as to why you're not doing it. Do you think you're going to fail? Do you feel like playing small is safer? Do you procrastinate because you just don't, I don't know what to do or fearful.

Leigh Burgess: You're not going to be able to figure it out. So the one thing I had that I totally. I think is a huge ingredient to being where I am today is belief in myself. Yes. Because even though everyone else around me, my family, my friends, believed in me, if I didn't believe in me, we would not be where we are.

Leigh Burgess: And so that's what you got to work on first. So that's why we spend some time on that in the book. 

Erin Marcus: And what I like in your approach, as we wrap this up, what I really like in your approach is the how to. It's not, motivation is great, inspiration is great, but I love the fact that you've added and included a step by step how to.

Erin Marcus: So people take that action. 

Leigh Burgess: Yeah. And it's a great time to do it. Like people think they ought to wait till, New Year's Eve. Think about next year, like start thinking about it now and you could start the steps now and really be in a great runway to take off in 25 versus just thinking about it.

Leigh Burgess: And what I 

Erin Marcus: have learned, and this is way back when I was in my fancy corporate sales position is the fourth quarter of the year dictates the entire year next year. If you wait until the first quarter to start worrying or acting on what that year will look like, you're already, you're basically waiting till third quarter for anything to happen.

Erin Marcus: It's again, 

Leigh Burgess: that's a problem. I've 

Erin Marcus: seen that in industry after industry, the fourth quarter will dictate your entire next year. So perfect. Don't 

Leigh Burgess: sleep, don't sleep in this quarter, 

Erin Marcus: not sleep on that was one of my vendors step up. I'm not saying don't take time off for holidays. We're not saying.

Erin Marcus: That's not what this means, but step on the gas when everyone else is stepping on the brakes. 

Leigh Burgess: Yeah, I just think like when I always, I even just said this earlier this week of I think this is becoming, a time for people to slow down. I heard one business say it is the holidays and I'm like, it's 

Erin Marcus: not even 

Leigh Burgess: Halloween.

Leigh Burgess: It's not even Halloween. What are you talking about? Cause it always annoys me like the second week of November it's Thanksgiving. I'm like, that's literally in two weeks. Like we could still work this and stuff. I always 

Erin Marcus: called Labor Day to Thanksgiving is the oh crap time of year. Yeah. Yeah.

Erin Marcus: Yeah. I always made the most sales in the fourth quarter. Yeah. Because people start to realize January you make your New Year's resolutions and your goals, then you don't do them, and then it's spring break, and then so you don't do them, and then it's summer, so the kids are off, so you don't do anything.

Erin Marcus: And then what happens is you realize Labor Day comes around and you're like, oh crap, I have six weeks to get everything done that I wanted to do this year. 

Leigh Burgess: Yeah, so the clock's always ticking, but I think, being very intentional about what you're doing now, and when you think about your bold year or your bold self next year, what's that look and what are the steps you need to start taking, and just start taking them now, and they don't need it.

Leigh Burgess: I was just speaking about you don't need 50, 000 to take your first bold step. Maybe it's just a pen and a piece of paper or your keyboard to start really thinking and putting it down. So important to write it down, get it out of your head. Cause then it becomes. Real. And I think read by the world, by you, by your intentions of what you're going to do next.

Leigh Burgess: So having that happen is something that doesn't cost very much. Let's see time. Yeah. So 

Erin Marcus: if people want to continue this conversation, we're going to make sure all of the links are in the show notes, but tell everybody how to get ahold of you. 

Leigh Burgess: Yeah, the best way is my website. So Lee Burgess. com, follow me on Instagram and LinkedIn.

Leigh Burgess: Just starting to grow my IG. So just definitely say hi and drop in and be able to continue to follow the bold journey and check out the book when you can. 

Erin Marcus: Thank you for hanging out with me today. This is awesome. It's exciting personally when I find someone else going through the thing I'm going through and didn't know it alone.

Erin Marcus: And I love love watching people, create their world for themselves. So 

Leigh Burgess: thank you so much for what you do.